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	<title>Comments on: The Founding Fathers Are Spinning In Their Graves</title>
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	<description>A sniff in the kortevar, that what you cry for, yeled?  A prert up the cull, a prang on the dumpendebat?</description>
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		<title>By: This Old Brit</title>
		<link>http://dumpendebat.net/2008/06/25/founding-fathers-spinning-graves/comment-page-1/#comment-8766</link>
		<dc:creator>This Old Brit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds to me as though this man went to the same English classes as G.W.B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds to me as though this man went to the same English classes as G.W.B.</p>
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		<title>By: Stram</title>
		<link>http://dumpendebat.net/2008/06/25/founding-fathers-spinning-graves/comment-page-1/#comment-8765</link>
		<dc:creator>Stram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely put.

What you describe is precisely why they&#039;re &#039;so-called conservatives&#039; and not &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; conservatives. The &#039;Right&#039; hasn&#039;t known a real conservative since Teddy Roosevelt.

The Right today are the big-spending, big-government, anti-Constitutional, phony-religious, weak-kneed and frightened segment of our society.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendments.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;4th, 5th and 6th Amendments&lt;/a&gt; were written because those who wrote them knew there would be people come along acting like today&#039;s &#039;so-called&#039; conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put.</p>
<p>What you describe is precisely why they&#8217;re &#8216;so-called conservatives&#8217; and not <i>real</i> conservatives. The &#8216;Right&#8217; hasn&#8217;t known a real conservative since Teddy Roosevelt.</p>
<p>The Right today are the big-spending, big-government, anti-Constitutional, phony-religious, weak-kneed and frightened segment of our society.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendments.html" rel="nofollow">4th, 5th and 6th Amendments</a> were written because those who wrote them knew there would be people come along acting like today&#8217;s &#8216;so-called&#8217; conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: dumpendebat</title>
		<link>http://dumpendebat.net/2008/06/25/founding-fathers-spinning-graves/comment-page-1/#comment-8764</link>
		<dc:creator>dumpendebat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what I don&#039;t get:  One of the bedrock principles of the American conservative movement is supposed to be that the federal government should have very limited powers.  Grover Norquist famously said it should be &quot;small enough to drown in the bathtub.&quot;

At the same time, these same people who claim to be in favor of &quot;small government&quot; think it&#039;s perfectly in order for the government to be able to lock people in cages, forever, just because the president thinks they might be involved with terrorism.  Suspicion is enough -- they decide you&#039;re an &quot;enemy combatant,&quot; and that&#039;s it.  American citizen or not, it doesn&#039;t matter.

These so-called &quot;conservatives&quot; trust the federal government to never ever make a mistake when it comes to dealing with &quot;terrorists.&quot;  Just look how furious they got when it was determined that &quot;War on Terror&quot; prisoners have the right to petition for &lt;em&gt;habeas corpus&lt;/em&gt; -- the most fundamental human right in our system of jurisprudence.  As far as they&#039;re concerned, if the government says you might be a terrorist, then by God, you&#039;re a terrorist, end of story.  The government &lt;em&gt;doesn&#039;t have to prove a damn thing,&lt;/em&gt; they can just do whatever they want with you.  Today&#039;s &quot;conservatives,&quot; incredibly, are OK with this.  They claim to be distrustful of government, but this is OK with them.

Today&#039;s &quot;conservatives&quot; think it&#039;s OK to break the law, as long as someone from the US government tells you to.  It&#039;s the &quot;patriotic&quot; thing to do.

Today&#039;s &quot;conservatives&quot; think the US government should be able to listen in on anyone&#039;s phone calls, read anyone&#039;s emails, have access to whatever private data they decide they want, and do their spying in total secrecy -- no warrants, no judicial oversight.

The &quot;limited federal government&quot; would NEVER misuse this power -- how dare you even suggest such a thing might happen?  It&#039;s unpatriotic -- maybe even treasonous -- to think that&#039;s too much power for any government to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I don&#8217;t get:  One of the bedrock principles of the American conservative movement is supposed to be that the federal government should have very limited powers.  Grover Norquist famously said it should be &#8220;small enough to drown in the bathtub.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the same time, these same people who claim to be in favor of &#8220;small government&#8221; think it&#8217;s perfectly in order for the government to be able to lock people in cages, forever, just because the president thinks they might be involved with terrorism.  Suspicion is enough &#8212; they decide you&#8217;re an &#8220;enemy combatant,&#8221; and that&#8217;s it.  American citizen or not, it doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>These so-called &#8220;conservatives&#8221; trust the federal government to never ever make a mistake when it comes to dealing with &#8220;terrorists.&#8221;  Just look how furious they got when it was determined that &#8220;War on Terror&#8221; prisoners have the right to petition for <em>habeas corpus</em> &#8212; the most fundamental human right in our system of jurisprudence.  As far as they&#8217;re concerned, if the government says you might be a terrorist, then by God, you&#8217;re a terrorist, end of story.  The government <em>doesn&#8217;t have to prove a damn thing,</em> they can just do whatever they want with you.  Today&#8217;s &#8220;conservatives,&#8221; incredibly, are OK with this.  They claim to be distrustful of government, but this is OK with them.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s &#8220;conservatives&#8221; think it&#8217;s OK to break the law, as long as someone from the US government tells you to.  It&#8217;s the &#8220;patriotic&#8221; thing to do.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s &#8220;conservatives&#8221; think the US government should be able to listen in on anyone&#8217;s phone calls, read anyone&#8217;s emails, have access to whatever private data they decide they want, and do their spying in total secrecy &#8212; no warrants, no judicial oversight.</p>
<p>The &#8220;limited federal government&#8221; would NEVER misuse this power &#8212; how dare you even suggest such a thing might happen?  It&#8217;s unpatriotic &#8212; maybe even treasonous &#8212; to think that&#8217;s too much power for any government to have.</p>
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		<title>By: Stram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kit Bond, like the party he represents are pathetic. 

If the Republicans and the wingnut weaklings had lived during the days of Patrick Henry we&#039;d all be still speaking the King&#039;s English.

They&#039;re all pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kit Bond, like the party he represents are pathetic. </p>
<p>If the Republicans and the wingnut weaklings had lived during the days of Patrick Henry we&#8217;d all be still speaking the King&#8217;s English.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re all pathetic.</p>
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