Dum Pendebat Filius

A sniff in the kortevar, that what you cry for, yeled? A prert up the cull, a prang on the dumpendebat?

Invitation to wingnuts

I invite all wingnuts to take a look at the American Freedom Pledge at the American Freedom Campaign website. Here is the text of the pledge, in its entirety:

We are Americans, and in our America we do not torture, we do not imprison people without charge or legal remedy, we do not tap people’s phones and emails without a court order, and above all we do not give any President unchecked power.

I pledge to fight to protect and defend the Constitution from assault by any President.

I expect Wingnut Nation to get very upset when they see this, and to condemn the American Freedom Campaign and criticize the pledge.

If I am correct about this, dear wingnuts, will you please take a moment to explain what you find objectionable about this pledge?

Thank you.

Filed under: Political by dumpendebat at 2007/10/04 - 00:24

11 Comments »

  1. brian:

    It’s fine by me but I don’t know what it would accomplish. I prefer the Pledge of Allegiance myself, no matter who the president is. America, love it or leave is my saying. It’s ok to fix it when broken, but internal issues must be kept internal. Being a hegemony makes this more difficult, though.

  2. dumpendebat:

    >I prefer the Pledge of Allegiance myself

    You prefer I pledge allegiance to the Flag to In our America we do not torture. OK.

    >internal issues must be kept internal

    Meaning what? Public criticism of US policies is a bad thing?

  3. Stram:

    “Public criticism of US policies is a bad thing?”

    Well, yes, unless of course, Bill Clinton is president.

    Besides Filius, what’s wrong with torturing the shit out of, ‘externals’?

  4. dumpendebat:

    Happily, the major Dem candidates have signed the pledge. I would not vote for a candidate who would not sign this.

    Of course, none of the Republicans has signed it. I wouldn’t want to question their patriotism, though!

  5. Stram:

    You know, I am obviously biased, but have you ever seen a collection of such pathetic souls as those who are running for the Republican nomination?

    Couple that with Chuck Hagel and John Warner retiring and you can see the absolute extinction of that party.

    Thank you, George. Seriously, thank you. You set the standard for the republicans for the next 100 years.

  6. elfasbrynja:

    > It’s fine by me but I don’t know what it would accomplish. I prefer the Pledge of Allegiance myself, no matter who the president is.

    His blog is so awesome I hear the epic power metal of Sabaton blaring in my head every time I read it.

  7. dumpendebat:

    >His blog is so awesome I hear the epic power metal of
    >Sabaton blaring in my head every time I read it.

    I hear Judas Priest’s classic British Steel LP (1980).

  8. Hank Dagny:

    We are Americans, and in our America we do not torture, we do imprison people without charge or legal remedy who are terrorists who do not have a country or uniform and declared war on all infidels, and kill indiscriminately.

    Americans do tap people’s phones and emails without a court order who are calling and writing nations supportive of people who are terrorists who do not have a country or uniform and declared war on all infidels, and kill indiscriminately.

    And above all we do not give any President unchecked power.

    I pledge to fight to protect and defend the Constitution from assault by anyBODY, including those who call themselves progressives, that want to cancel out the 2nd amendment, tax citizens into communism and aid the people who are terrorists who do not have a country or uniform and declared war on all infidels, and kill indiscriminately.

  9. Liberals Digging Deep to Justify Their Pacifism or Cowardice — Liberal Quicksand:

    […] from our liberal buddy Dump’s […]

  10. Dana:

    The problem with this “concept” is that it is conceptually flawed: it starts from the premise that we are policemen hunting down petty criminals in the war against the Islamists, to bring to trial with public defenders and probation and maybe community service sentences.

    The truth is that we are at war with them, and the proper thing to do to enemies in a war is to hunt them down like dogs and kill them; if an enemy happens to be taken alive, he should be imprisoned for as long as the war lasts, as is always done with prisoners of war.

  11. dumpendebat:

    A “war on terror” (or, in your locution, “war against the Islamists”) cannot be fought with tanks, airplanes, and infantry divisions. Terrorism can only be defeated by intelligence services and law enforcement.

    Anyone who falls into the hands of the US government in the name of the “war on terror” is not automatically a dangerous “terrorist” who needs to be held forever, in secret, without charges, and tortured, and certainly not by a government that does all these things without oversight or accountability.

    The idea that our government is able to imprison and torture anyone it wants, indefinitely, is completely and absolutely anti-American.

    Fear of “Islamists,” “The Jihad,” “The Caliphate,” etc., does not justify these things or make them any less anti-American.

    The United States of America does not need to torture anyone, ever, for any reason. Full stop.

    The United States of America does not need to throw anyone in prison and keep them there indefinitely without charges, ever, for any reason. Full stop.

    The United States of America does not need to wiretap the telephone and electronic communications of its own citizens without a court-approved warrant or judicial oversight, ever, for any reason. Full stop.

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